hmmm now wheres me fooking spade

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are the posted rumours true that this has made the angling times??

where a fish expert has commented that it does look like a big old dead fish??

as i dont buy this mag could anyone confirm or post a link to the article apparently page 3

yes its quite true Jon lol

is there an online version of this article

dunno mate but i aint having this, a dead fish is more famous than me LOL LOL

puts w's on the angling map eh lol

by the way before dom gets blamed i edited the title because if an expert says so i think it's fairly concrete in my mind and probably buried under some to

ye i heard that it was in angling times and the excuse given was a load of bollox

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Really Sparks? Not a personal attack? Actually when you have someone post up on your facebook that what I have done is low (cough cough Dom) then kick of the story on this forum again after it had died down pointing the finger at you, and mentioning your name you kinda do get the feeling it is a personal attack m8. Apart from mentioning that there are loads of pics where the gills and fins dont move between shots I have kept quiet on the matter, I have spoken to the odd person with regards to things to clarify in my own mind what could be the score but I didnt post up anything except to the website what I believed had happened.

I dont see why on earth Dom feels the need to bring my name into things to stir up the shit. So I am sorry if i diasgree with the personal attack bit cause it does kinda seem that way. as far as being a puppet, a puppet for whom Sparks? In the same way I might speak up for Vince on this forum when I think he is being treated unfairly ie asbestos being dumped on his land when I have seen with my own eyes it is hardcore etc etc I also speak up for the angler such as yourselfs when it comes down to barbless hooks etc etc so where am I being one sided and a puppet Jon?




Date of the capture being wrong is nothing to do with me, when I queried the date I was told that is was this months report. Turns out it wasnt now however in the same way if you caught a fish last month and told me that the picture was this month how would i know without being there? explain to me how that is my fault? If you have a problem with it then you should speak to the staff and not me about it.

I certainly shouldnt be receiving posts on facebook or getting grief from this site over it though should I?

this is getting hilarious now, if you thought the fish to be alive when you posted it then you are not to blame but i cant see how on earth anyone could credit that fish as being remotely functional

I said that it was low to post up a dead fish and claim it as legit but of course that statement only holds water if you actually knew, someone involved knows it was dead and someone submitted the report knowingly..... that is low, is it not?

You are the one trying to make a mountain out of a molehill haggis not me LOL

and i certainly bear you no ill intent, even if it was all down to you i would still not be as angry as 95% of the furious anglers out there mukka. Dont even think im the angriest on this thread LOL

Im not an angry and certainly not a vicious person, lol if you knew me then you'd see just how silly you sound

Chill hag mate!

Dom I didnt even look at the picture that closely when I posted it. I posted it believing the fish was alive and Im still not even convinced it is dead to be frank, but as someone pointed out to me that just may be me not wanting to believe that anyone could post up a picture of a dead fish, which I do find incredibly difficult to believe that. Maybe that is me being naive. I can assure you 100% I that I thought the fish was alive and even Jon can tell you when he text me saying it was kicking off I thought it was because the fish had been reported caught on boilys and not off the top as he had been told I had no idea of any of this before then.
Frankly it is because of this scandal that I dont want my name being brought into it if the fish is dead then it is a horrific thing to do in my eyes and is disgusting that anyone would stoop that low.

Thats exactly how we feel mate!

and you must appreciate that we owe nothing, we dont need to sugar coat what we say and can air our opinions and comment freely..........which we have done!

no one is vilifying you mate LOL people are angry and ashamed at being taken for mugs and i certainly believe this forum in particular has handled the situation with a fair amount of decorum that has not been found in threads elsewhere.

1:i didnt do it mate that was me saying it's not a personal attack on you
2:i told dom to re-open the thread i'm admin on this site and dont want threads locked as there are others who want to comment on it
3:dom only brings up your name because you set yourself as a representative for white springs on this site you always tey to defend anything that goes on there
4:there fore being one sided ,not once have you said hang on that fish might actually be dead,
5:as for the puppet comment it wasnt meant as nasty and you've answered it yourself regarding the date you where told to put it on and you did..

i just meant that as it's your job same as i'm a puppet in work

the simple fact of it is you have sat here while 95% of the carping community have said that fish looks dead on nearly every forum in the country ,and not once said ok ok it does look dead, you are saying what vince wants you to and dont deny it because i know vince he has asked me to do the same years ago about celtic lakes

it has now got noticed by two national publications, one of them using a fish EXPERT who stated" it does look like a big old dead fish.."

i was dubious at first and knowing vince and goss didnt say alot at first and thought i'd ask them to see for myself,

goss's attitude has made my decision really easy not to fish white springs again even if this fish comes out alive again.

Sorry didnt mean to bite your head off, im just getting a bit sick of all the crap being thrown at me. as I said to someone earlier my entire point of ever going to springs was to chill out and learn to fish again. Now I cant even do that there.


I dont think that is fair, I have always looked at both sides of the story and decided what would be in the best interests of the fish and lets be fair about things and look through my posts by all means I have spoken up about issues with regards to Vince where I know them not to be true and to be best of my knowledge if I know different I dont defend anything other to what I understand the truth to be. What you dont see on this forum is me having a go at Vince on behalf of you guys, however you can see the effects of it and people thanked me for it less than a month ago on this forum. To say I am acting one sided is an unfair comment in my eyes. But I can understand why you might think that but you have to remember that your only seeing one side of things and when it comes down to the issues with regards to the lakes from Vinces point of view I am speaking up for you lot all of the time and he thinks that I am also one sided namely your side.

This is true but I havent argued it was alive either I do tend towards leaning that the fish is alive and I will explain why however mainly I have said that the fish may be alive or dead and that you cannot tell from a picture and I still stand by that. The main reason I think that the fish may be alive is frankly I dont believe that Goss would do that sort of thing I have known him and his brothers all the way back to the days of when i went to school in pontarddulais and bear in mind that I am 38 now, I know I am a young looking handsome bastard but I am reaching 40 now. anway I havent seen him for over 15 years until springs and of course people can change I suppose, but the Goss I knew would never have done that, to me that would be like saying that Dom is importing French simmos into the country, its too hard to believe.


I understand what you are saying, basically I was given a sheet of paper that didnt have a date on it and was told it was this months report, when i queried it I was told it was definately this months report. Frankly I was not to know otherwise was I? All I had heard in the three months I had been away was that Goss had caught one off the top and you yourself know that when I posted the story it was queried how it was caught and I wanted to clarify it with Goss as I wasnt happy in case that detail was wrong.
Now if I was being a puppet surely I would have just accepted the entire story as it was instead of wanting to query if it was caught on top or bottom? Think about it. But like any report and this is the point that I am stressing if someone says to me that a fish was caught last week when it was caught the month before even if someone has said to me otherwise, I have to take the word of the angler or the report I can query it but if they insist the date is correct I have to report it as stated, the only time I can say otherwise is if I saw it with my own eyes. This is true of ANY reporter.


Vince hasnt asked me to do anything in fairness to him and the reason that I am sitting on the fence is still I cannot believe that Goss would do something like that in the same way I wouldnt believe that Dom was importing french simmos. Maybe I am wrong and if I am I will be the first to say it, however I can tell you now that Vince hasnt asked me to do anything.

lol with the amount of publicity it is hard for anyone especially an expert to stand up and say hey hang on this may not be dead now isnt it. Look at how I am getting shot down for it.

At the moment this is my attitude I am keeping an open mind and I havent seen Goss yet. Obviously I havent been pissed off in the same way you have, but cmon Sparks please dont come and try shooting me down for taking the same stance as you have until recently that isnt fair Sparks.

Its a pity however I can understand why someone told me briefly what happened I thought that it wasnt right what happened and I will say so next time I am there. Looks like we will have to do a social on another lake.

I can see how the fish photo can be explained alive as easily as i can see that it can be explained dead. Based on that I dont think that I should be saying that the fish is alive or dead based on the photo and I will keep an open mind no matter what expert says what, bloody doctors have told me that for the last 5 years I have had M.E yet I have just discovered that I am diabetic, so I know what I think of bloody experts at the mo.

This is my last post on the matter as frankly I am tired of the subject and wouldnt have posted up any of this if Dom hadnt had brought my name into it.
I can understand now why he did now as he didnt know that I had no idea of what happened and that I had posted up the story in good faith. Dom thought I was involved again he doesnt know me that well. I would never be involved in anything like this as it sickens me.
Maybe I am niave I dont know, maybe I look for the best in people and I shouldnt, I dont know, but I would no more believe that Dom was importing simmos as I do that Goss would hold up a dead fish.

this is the only bit i have slight difficulty with personally everything points to a dead fish in MY eyes

ok alex lets draw a line under our differences on the subject and doms lol

and let the rest of the members have this thread for themselves to discuss..

It seems that the £100 reward for the capture of the fish has'nt done this issue any favour's, as this reaction is being slated on a few of the forums country wide!!!! Jamie

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how did he know i was importing french simmo's??

No one is supposed to know of their existence, monseur simmonds will kill me LOL

Its well Dead.....Shame on those involved

Indeed!

Ahh not this again LOL

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crazy goings on.