this is the only bait in the range ive not heard of or used, im looking for a cold water type bait

I take it from the name that its a 4 season jobby?

My mind is on the crushed red as that has very good track record round these parts but i need to know what the 4x4 is all about before deciding

taken from elsewhere mate. give you an idea till das answers.

The 4x4 mix was developed over 25 years ago, by Tony Mills and a big gang of fieldtesters.

It's obviously changed a bit over the years - its more refined these days, with better quality ingredients - and as the name suggests, it's for four-seasons use. An ideal winter bait, then, due to the digestibility and quick leak off attractors. But it will work all year round. Some of the lads around our area swear by it and won't use anything else, despite Darren's best efforts

On the ingredients front, 4x4 contains quality milk proteins, LT94 fish meal, caplin and sardine meals, soluble fish extracts, shrimp meal, seaweed, robin red, maize 60 protein, bird foods and a few other bits and bobs

It's also got the Vision Liver & Garlic in (like the old Frankfurter Sausage) a proper classic!

thats the baby i'm on it think i'm gonna order a nice big lump next week ,poacher can rot at the bottom of my freezer lol,

i thinks i'll still be getting this for theale

order at the start of the month ready for the 18th 10 kg first

anyone else fancy going in on an order..

only thing with getting boilie up there mate is , its rammed full of crays so there going to play fuck with your baits lol When youre ordering try and get Daz to knock you up a couple of pots of hardened hookers, to try and deter them a bit , Oh and also get those huge extenda stops that pull right into the bait

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yeah i will be airdrying them out aswell for there

when you put an airdried boilie in the lake it becomes 'as was' in a matter of minutes Jon

you will need either the hard hookers specially made or think about using plastics

yeah true dom i suppose,although i have used mega airdried boilies before and pulled them in after being out over night in summer and they have still been fairly hard when squeezing them off the hair..

would rehydrating airdried in oil keep them harder longer...???

i will be ordering corkers for choddies aswell so might aswell buy sme hardhookers too lol

job done mate , hard hookers will be your new best friend lol . them bastard crays done us over up oxford last week was an absolute nitemare .

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jon, oil will only coat the boillies not rehydrate them, your'll need somthing that you can mix with water try asking for the liquid food that goes in the boillie your ordering.. Add liquid food to water and use to hydrate you air drieds-- 10 parts liquid to 1 part water..(100mls liquid to 10ml water)

Sparky, try a few bait in with your pellet and leave then for a bit, this will harden them up a treat, but like Jake said I think your best off asking Daz to make you some hard hookers, Ill cetainly be getting a pot or 2 for the next vist to Oxlease. Jamie

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you misunderstand me cos mate,

im looking to prolong the hardness of airdried to stop the crays attacking ,

doesnt oils harden baits?

i know i used the term rehydrating but i didnt quite mean it like that (doh) lol

I wouldn't say oils harden the baits at all, but they would prolong the bait going soft, I think you would be better off with shrink wrap stuff, putting two pieces around your bait..

ah yes what that stuff called now i was thinking about that ,

and there's that fox armo mesh would that be any help

tbh Jon i would be thinking particle and plastics

i will be doing that on one rod pal but not all because of the bream and tench present.

have to use good ol boilie on at least two rods,

i'll find a way around it..

boilies will get you the better stamp of fish at theale i reckon myself

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go too superdrug sparks and get one of those mesh bath scrunchies things...wrap it around your hookers and tie it off with dental floss.

cray proof baits for 2 quid and it'll last a season easy. i never got crayed using this method and a lake i was fishing was infested with them.

trust me mate it works better then anything if you wanna use real baits and it dont put the carp of neither pal.